Manifest, the Manifold Markets nerd festival

Bess and I went to Manifest, which bills itself as “A festival for forecasting and prediction markets,” a description that may technically be true but fails to capture the spirit; to my eye and experience, it’s maybe more accurately stated as “Substack and Twitter live” or “a mixture of festival-conference-party-Burning-Man for nerds with many interests to show up and enjoy each other’s company.” Which is just to the temperament of Bess and me (though I’m still on a legacy WordPress platform; a year ago I thought about switching to Substack but didn’t because I thought I’d not be alive long enough for the switch to matter). Bess excitedly exclaimed it to be “Nerd Camp!” with a sort of takes-one-to-know-one gleam in her eye.

There’s something about seeing people in real life that makes me bearish on efforts to build the metaverse, which may be an improvement on text / audio / video but still don’t seem likely to replace live in-person interactions. Meeting in real life creates a kind of vividness and immediacy that online doesn’t (yet) create, and Manifest does just that. I recognized a huge number of people whose Substacks I’ve commented on and whose tweets I’ve replied to. A lot of people in turn recognized Bess and me, for our writing about the FDA killing people via inaction. Manifest attendees manifested a kind of earnestness that a better world is possible, that data should guide actions, that one should change one’s mind in the face of new evidence, and that what initially seems to be true may not be true. Those are all useful traits in getting past the FDA’s PR (something like: “we keep you safe from predatory drug companies”) and into the FDA’s substance (something like: “we don’t care if people are dying while our process runs; our process needs to run”). Nerd Camp was filled with people who believe that a good future is based on better predictions, and better predictions take both knowledge and calculated risk. No risk, no future: at least not a future that circumvents stagnation, and certainly not a future I am in.

The vast majority of the world’s information and ideas aren’t written down or otherwise recorded. It or they exist in people’s head and are expressed verbally. Gatherings of smart people don’t seem like they’re likely to be obsolete soon, which might qualify as bearish on AI. A humorous conspiracy theory called “Dead internet theory” claims that “the internet now consists mainly of bot activity and automatically generated content manipulated by algorithmic curation, minimizing organic human activity.” Manifest is an existence proof of the opposite, a real-life CAPTCHA: the people writing Substacks and making podcasts are gathered in one place. Would the people be the same as their online personas? Could they be better? One guy recognized my nametag and was like: “Hey, you’re the guy who lived!” Bess and I laughed.

Every single person Bess and I talked to was substantive, curious, and interesting, with the middle term being especially important. Given my lack of tongue, a common non-verbal reaction I get in everyday life is the other person thinking: “Why is the retard trying to get my attention?” I could use a more politically correct term, but I get the impression that that’s the one running in their mind. Anyway, I sensed none or almost none of that, despite being in fact very hard to understand. It’s a little like having a heavy foreign accent that no one else has; I’ve noticed that people who work in the tech industry, where people commonly show up from all over, are on average better at understanding me. I now do poorly at conferences yet I’m glad to have made Manifest. Bess observes that there is an assumption of competency at Manifest. Yes, many people had read us, but certainly not all. Everyone there, regardless of age or gender, was approaching interactions from a place of assumed reciprocal intelligence. Maybe this is what it’s like when everyone in a room acknowledges theory of mind. Or maybe it was from the sort of temporary tribalism conferences can create: “I think may people in this room are smart, therefore I am smart, therefore I, and everyone here, is part of this smart group of people.” Whatever it is, it’s a great way to approach a weekend.

One person said that she feels like everyone is somewhat autistic, and all conversation is in the form of parallel, consensual info-dump, or nothing. To me, greater informational content is great. A friend of ours met us on Sunday night, and she described it as a “carnival of the neurodivergent.” To which I say: great!

AI was a big issue there, and there seemed to be more people working on advancing AI than there were people working to advancing what’s sometimes called AI safety. The accelerationists and safetyists would be in the same room, sometimes debating each other, sometimes not. It’s interesting how discontinuous the AI contingent, whether safety or accelerationist, think the near future is going to be.

I’m undoubtedly not the first to contrast, on the one hand, claims of unique historical discontinuity from AI changing the world with, on the other hand, the stasis evident in the physical plant of Berkeley and other Bay Area cities. Bay Area cities have built hardly anything since the ‘70s, if not earlier. Infrastructure is ancient and rundown (including housing, roads, transit). We’re going to build the future in every respect, except for the physical world in which all the AI programmers live. Not even the many billionaires of the Bay Area have managed to build modern subways. Yet there is some upside to not having built “modern” infrastructure when that “infrastructure” consists of stroads and parking lots. Berkeley is still a walking or biking town, and Bess and I walked more than I have since the surgery in May 2023.

On a personal level, Manifest was amazing because it’s the first time since losing my tongue that Bess and I have gone anywhere or done much primarily for fun. Cancer treatment and cancer-related disability have dominated my life in the last year. Manifest first got on my radar when Austin Chen (co-founder of Manifold, the prediction market) emailed me in March. I looked at the Manifest website and thought: “This sounds awesome.” Bess is less keyed into Internet nerds than I am, and I had to try to explain to her who many of these people are; it’s a bit like a European trying to explain soccer to an American, or, worse, an American trying to explain American football to a European.[1] But she was happy at the prospect of going somewhere that isn’t a hospital and doing something that isn’t treatment.[2] We’ve lived in Arizona for four years and found few of our people here.[3] We’d probably have been better served moving to Austin, but the market for ER doctors is worse there, and we didn’t realize that headlines like “Apartment rents plummet in Austin” due to new housing construction would become common, while Arizona governor Katie Hobbs would veto housing bills designed to increase supply. Crazy! Anyway, most Manifest attendees appeared to be from California, but a significant number were from Austin.

If me going to Manifest had been a Manifold prediction market, the probability would’ve gone up and, mostly down, between me learning about the conference months before and getting there. Much had to go well, in a year and a half where almost nothing has gone well, that, despite booking plane tickets and a place to stay, I wouldn’t have placed a large-value bet on myself. In April I was terribly sick: tumors popped from the left side of my neck, making both Bess and me wonder if I’d live until May. On April 15 I began treatment with Seagen’s PDL1V, and the second dose of PDL1V on April 22 generated numerous adverse side effects. That week I also got some radiation therapy to try and counter the neck tumors. The good news is that the neck tumors necrosed and exited through a hole in the skin. The bad news is that I felt like garbage between April 22 to May 6, with side effects that challenged my ability to remain on treatment. But a new, extensive drug regimen helped me stay the course.

Then, last week, on Sunday, June 2, I noticed pain from the right side of my neck. Looking at it showed an unhappy red splotch—an infection. I started Keflex, an antibiotic, and hoped it would resolve the infection in time. Bess, doing what doctors do, poked at it (despite my protestations) and got some pus out. Unfortunately, I packed the Keflex in a suitcase with my Vitamix, checked the suitcase on the way to treatment to Utah, and then Southwest left the suitcase in Phoenix, which touched off predictable problems and resolutions. By Thursday I hoped I was well enough to fly, and that I wouldn’t need to upgrade from Keflex to Augmentin; the latter is like napalming one’s GI tract. Every morning during the conference, I wound up having to fight some gnarly GI problems, but I managed to get to Manifest by about noon. I managed to defy the implicit odds.

Lighthaven, the venue, was great, and the fridges well-stocked with Soylent, and I also saw pouches of Maya Kaimal Indian food. I didn’t know the specific brand name of Maya Kaimal, but I have some of them in my apartment and so could check. I saw a couple of Framework laptops, too, despite having seen just a few of them in the wild.

If I’m alive this time next year I’ll go back!

Other Manifest commentary:

  • Theo Jaffee has a good podcast and wrote “Manifest Manifested: One of the best weekends of my life at the best conference in the world.” I look to be older than him and while I thought it great, “one of the best weekends of my life” is a high bar. Then again, I don’t know what his life experiences have been or, more importantly, what happened at the Saturday night after-party which went till about 4a.m.
  • Robin Hanson calls it “probably my most pleasant event of the last year, since last year’s Manifest. :)”. With Robin, I feel like “pleasant” might be a slightly suspect word!
  • Bryne Hobart’s generalization of conference-going is behind a paywall, but he says that “The conference solves for specialization by inviting people around whom useful micro-subcultures nucleate, and it synthesizes high real estate prices by charging an entry fee (and plane tickets plus hotels are also going to have the same economic effect; they make time more expensive, so they raise the relative value of the highest-utility interactions)” and “Five minutes of in-person conversation create a more tangible sense of who someone is than years of occasional emailing, even if the emails are a better representation of their mental models. So future discussions are higher-bandwidth.” I’d not read until after writing a draft of the rest of this essay, I will add.
  • Tracing Woodgrains, someone I’d not heard of before but who appears to have some Internet microcelebrity, on Manifest: “For much of my life, I have poured my attention into tough-to-explain solitary pursuits, finding myself often sitting in quiet corners on the fringes of gatherings wondering if they’re worth the effort. Not so last weekend.” Woodgrains seems to have had an interesting life so far.
  • Bess says: “I will 100% return to nerd camp with you next year.” She is also looking forward to maintaining real-world connections via the internet.

[1] Which I’ve attempted, although not very successfully: I find American football tedious.

[2] Bess loudly and adamantly denies this characterization. “I think I know who Scott Alexander and Nate Silver are,” she squawks, like a penguin who wants a fish. “And I have a Substack!” Now she’s glaring at me. Now she’s explaining that she has never been able to understand the rules of football but is at least starting to understand the principles of writing for the internet as I’ve explained them. And she reads. Now she’s harrumphing, but is returning to continue editing this essay, so I must not be entirely off base. 

[3] “Why stay, then?” you may justifiably ask. Jobs, family, and then me getting cancer all make moving impractical, and the gains from moving lower than they’d be if I were well.

3 responses

  1. Jake, reading this post made me feel so happy to read. I hope you don’t mind me sharing that, in light of all the turbulence you’ve experienced over the last 1.5 years, reading about you having raw crude capital F Fun, brought a smile to my face.

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    • Writing it is great, too! I’m lucky to have made it: between the infection last week and some treatment-related challenges this week, I feel so lucky that a tiny slice of time opened up, and we were able to make it happen, and even the morning GI challenges weren’t enough to scupper it.

      The only thing better than meeting people smarter than me is meeting groups of people smarter than me, and Manifest had lots of them!

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  2. Hey Jake! I’m so glad that you and Bess were able to make it, and that Manifest was a prompt for the two of you to have some fun. Truth be told I was a little worried that it would be hard for you to speak with others; happy to hear this wasn’t the case.

    I love Bess’s characterization of our event as “nerd camp”! Hoping that our kids get to meet next year~

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